tom ka or tom yum?

topic posted Fri, November 5, 2004 - 5:26 PM by  DaniBananiSplit
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I love both of these soups and would love to be able to make them at home. DOes any one have any recipies and tips about how to make these wonderful soups in my own kitchen, I am vegetarian so I'd like to leave out chicken and sub tofu or mock chicken where possible. Thanks for your input.

Danielle
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  • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

    Thu, November 18, 2004 - 10:07 AM
    Oh man. This is one of my favorite recipes. It takes 15 minutes to make, start-to-finish, and it seems so complex when it's really quite simple. My friends call it "crack soup," because it's so addictive.

    I got the original recipe from Keo's, a restaurant in Hawaii, but I've modified it by adding some mushrooms and lemongrass, which are totally optional. Substituting tofu for the chicken should be fine. If you don't want to use fish sauce (which has fish essence in it, and gives the soup a salty tang), you can substitute a mixture of equal parts rice vinegar and light soy.


    Tom Kha Gai (Chicken Ginger Soup)
    serves 4

    1/2 lb boneless chicken breast
    3 cups coconut milk
    2 cups water
    1 inch fresh Kha (Thai ginger), thinly sliced (can use common ginger)
    1-4 tbsp fish sauce
    1/4 cup fresh lime juice
    2 tbsp sliced green onions
    1 tbsp chopped Chinese parsley
    1/2 cup thinly sliced mushrooms
    1 stalk fresh lemongrass (or a pinch of dried)

    1. Cut chicken into thin strips.
    2. Remove and discard dried outer layers from the lemongrass stalk, leaving the hydrated "heart." Use a kitchen mallet or some other heavy object to bruise the heart.
    3. Bring coconut milk and water to a boil.
    4. Reduce heat to medium low, then add chicken and cook 3 minutes.
    5. Add ginger, fish sauce, lemongrass heart, and lime juice. Sprinkle green onions, sliced mushrooms and parsley.
    6. Serve hot with parsley sprigs. Add seeded and slivered red chili
    pepper for the spicy version.
  • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

    Wed, April 26, 2006 - 2:40 AM
    Here's a Tom Khaa recipe I wrote to my mom. The key is the khaa (galangal), and the coconut milk. Best to get a Thai brand coconut milk, the frozen is best, if not, 'Chow Koh' or 'Mae Ploy' are the best canned brands. Do NOT use coconut milk from Mexico. Yuck!

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    Put 6 cups (or so) of water in a pot over med heat.
    Add 6 x 1/4" slices of the galangal (about a handful).
    add 1 lemongrass stalk (bottom 3/4 of it, stop where the leaf splits), cut into 4" pieces and smash a bit to get the flavour out.
    add 4-6 whole (double) kaffir lime leaves. Tear them to get the flavour out. Add 1/4 cube of shittake knorr broth soup cubes.

    Bring to boil, and boil for 5-10 min or so, until flavour comes out.

    Add 1 cup coconut milk, some pieces of mushroom (I like oyster and rice straw), hard tofu, and cook a few minutes. Add 2-3 tablespoons healthy boy light soy sauce, juice from 1-2 limes, 2-3 red thai chilis.

    The soup should be 1) creamy, 2) sour, 3) salty. If it's not sour, add more lime, if not salty add soy sauce or salt. Best served piping hot.

    Garnish with cilantro.

    Good luck. My mom made it and said it came out well.
  • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

    Wed, April 26, 2006 - 2:42 AM
    And here's a Mushroom Tom Yum recipe:

    www.00ff00.com/recipes/tomyum.html

    Spicy Lemongrass Soup With Mushrooms (tom yum het):.

    - 2 1/2 cups water
    - 1/2 cube vegetarian chicken buillion (or whatever you want)
    - 1 lemongrass stalk, chopped into 4 or 5 pieces
    - 4 kaffir lime leaves, torn in half
    - 2-4 thai chilis, sliced
    - 10 straw mushrooms
    - 5 wood ear mushrooms
    - a few strands of enoki mushrooms
    - some oyster mushrooms
    - some white cloud ear mushrooms
    - 2 table light soy sauce
    - 2 table lime juice
    - 1 tea sugar
    - some tofu
    - 1 stem cilantro, chopped into 4 pieces

    boil the water/broth, then add the lemongrass, lime leaves, chilis and mushrooms. let boil for 1 min.

    add the tofu, soy sauce, lime juice and sugar. boil for 2-3 minutes.

    take off heat. add cilantro before serving.

    you can use whichever mushrooms you want. i use some of the above -- depending on what i have in my kitchen

    makes enough for two.
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      Re: tom ka or tom yum?

      Fri, April 28, 2006 - 1:08 AM
      I LOVE these soups and am so going to try to make them!
      Does anyone know where I can get ingredients like Thai ginger, lemongrass and kaffir lime leaves in Oakland?
      • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

        Fri, April 28, 2006 - 4:50 AM
        I don't know the Bay area well, but google "Ranch 99". I think there are some near Oakland.
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          Re: tom ka or tom yum?

          Fri, April 28, 2006 - 7:59 AM
          Never knew about Ranch 99--good to know.

          I ended up answering my own question with Google.
          Sometimes I wonder how people lived without internet and google.

          www.thaifoodandtravel.com/marke...rkeley

          I think I will shop and try to make some today since I'm feeling kind of sick and the soup might make me feel better.
          • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

            Fri, April 28, 2006 - 9:03 AM
            Ranch 99 is a seriously wonderful cultural experience.
            • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

              Fri, April 28, 2006 - 1:07 PM
              Yes, it's a great market! I can spend hours there. In fact, Ranch 99 is such an "experience" that one of the local cooking schools here leads 2 hour classes through the market, discussing the different ingredients and how they're used in various cultures, etc. I haven't taken the class, but it sounds like fun.
      • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

        Fri, April 28, 2006 - 1:40 PM
        not sure about oakland where i also live but i find these ingredients at berkeley bowl
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          Re: tom ka or tom yum?

          Fri, April 28, 2006 - 3:40 PM
          Well I just got back from the Vietnamese market in Oakland and had a difficult time getting all the ingredients (in recipe from Kasma Loha-unchit on thaifoodandtravel.com) because no one spoke english and I had no idea what galanga or kaffir lime leaves even look like.

          wow, Berkeley Bowl has these ingredients?! That's my favorite grocery store, next time I'll stock up there.
          • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

            Sun, April 30, 2006 - 11:01 PM
            hey jae -- you have to hunt some of these ingredients from chinese markets sometimes or you can go to Thai market called, Tuk Tuk on University. They will have all your ingredients.
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              Re: tom ka or tom yum?

              Tue, May 2, 2006 - 8:48 AM
              Penny, I went to berkeley bowl and was able to find kaffir lime leaves and galanga.

              I've been feeling sick this past week and for some strange reason, all I've been craving is this soup so I've made it four days in a row!
              The first time, I didn't have the lime leaves or galanga but it still came out tasty.
              I went back to the store at 429 9th street in Oakland because they have really inexpensive fresh shrimp and it's close to where I live.(It's called Khanh Phong Supermarket , it's Thai, not Vietnamese as I mistakenly wrote in an earlier post. embarrassing... especially since I'm asian.)

              I am so happy that I can now make one of my favorite soups anytime I want!

              I used this recipe:
              www.thaifoodandtravel.com/recip...u.html

              1/2 lb. prawns, or medium- to large-size shrimps, shells removed and butterflied (save shells for soup stock)
              2-3 stalks fresh lemon grass
              3 cups water, or mild soup stock, salted with fish sauce (nahm bplah) to the desired saltiness
              6 thin slices fresh galanga (kah), or 2 dried pieces
              3 fresh or dried kaffir lime leaves (bai ma-gkrood)
              8-10 whole Thai chillies (prik kee noo), stem removed and bruised with the back of a cleaver; or substitute with 2-3 sliced jalapeno or serrano peppers
              1/2 a small onion, halved again and sliced crosswise 1/4-inch thick
              1-2 Tbs. roasted chilli paste (nahm prik pow)
              3-4 Tbs. tamarind water: a chunk of wet tamarind, about the size of 1 Tbs., with the soft parts dissolved in 1/4 cup water, pulp removed
              1 cup fresh brown mushrooms, sliced in 1/4-inch pieces, or 1 can whole straw mushrooms, drained
              1 small tomato, cut in bite-size wedges (optional)
              2 green onions, cut in thin rounds
              Juice of 1-2 limes, to desired sourness
              1/2 cup cilantro leaves or short cilantro sprigs
              Cut the bottom tip off the lemon grass stalks and discard the loose outer layer(s). Then cut each stalk into 1-inch sections at a slanted diagonal all the way up to the greener end, near the start of the grass blades, exposing the inner core. Smash each piece with the side of a cleaver or the end of a large knife handle to bruise, releasing the aromatic oils. Place the cut lemon grass along with the prawn or shrimp shells and the water or stock in a soup pot. Bring to a boil, then reduce heat to low and simmer with a lid on for 15-20 minutes to draw out the flavors. Strain out the shrimp shells and some of the lemon grass.

              Add the sliced galanga, kaffir lime leaves, bruised Thai chillies (or substitute) and sliced onion. Simmer a couple of minutes, then add the roasted chilli paste (nahmm prik pow), tamarind water and fresh brown or straw mushrooms. Heat stock to a boil and simmer for a couple of minutes. Stir in the tomato wedges (if using), green onions and prawns or shrimps. After 20-30 seconds, turn off heat, add lime juice to the desired sourness and the cilantro. Do not let the prawns or shrimps overcook. Serve immediately.
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                Re: tom ka or tom yum?

                Wed, May 3, 2006 - 6:35 AM
                Its call Tom Yum, where i am from. and those neighbouring countries.

                Maybe tom Ka, is another slang or language?
                is it?
                • Re: tom ka or tom yum?

                  Sat, June 10, 2006 - 5:03 PM
                  These are Thai soups.

                  Tom Yum (name of meat) has a clear broth.

                  Tom Kha (name of meat) has coconut milk in the broth and a lot of kha/galangal

                  Most of the time i eat them with Kai = chicken as the meat. Tom Yum is often quite sour (which i like), while Tum Kha is richer and has lots of kha/galangal (which i like)... sometimes it's so hard to decide which one to have :-)

                  Lilinah
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                    Re: tom ka or tom yum?

                    Sun, June 11, 2006 - 9:07 AM
                    I haven't had it differently but with chicken "Tom Kha Gai" is the chicken soup. You can have this soup with or without coconut milk, which makes it richer in taste. It taste good either way. They're both sour but there's no red chili shrimp paste in Tom Kha Gai. It's straight up galanga roots, fresh lemon juice, lemon grass, kafir leaves and fish sauce with chicken.

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